Johannesburg – Gauteng Premier David Makhura has standard responsibility for the loss of life of 144 Life Esidimeni sufferers, adding that it took place below his watch.

“If there is no true right here. I will paintings with the families to pursue any reality some other place,” he said.

Makhura became testifying in the Life Esidimeni arbitration listening to in Parktown, Johannesburg, on Tuesday.

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Makhura stated, as the top of the provincial government, the greenback stopped with him.

Addressing the households, Makhura informed them that an apology could by no means be enough.

“You have suffered,” he instructed victims’ families.

“I’m additionally paying attention to an account,” he stated, adding that “apologizing doesn’t mean a lot if there may be no real”.

The ‘fact’

Makhura said because the hearing commenced, families, have heard a lot of blame being shifted and excuses made, however very little of what took place.

“There may be no justice without the fact,” he stated.

Makhura emphasized that at every budget council meeting, there has been always the conclusion that value-cutting measures have been now not to be implemented to middle offerings.

Makhura additionally found out that he was assured by means of former Gauteng Health MEC Qedani Mahlangu and Head of Department Barney Selebano, that the department had the ability to house sufferers at nation facilities.

“I ought to have executed something to be extra responsive and produce the NGOs around the table with the department,” he said.

Makhura introduced that, understanding what he knows now, he could have intervened.

Former deputy leader justice Dikgang Moseneke, who is chairing the listening to, requested Makhura if he changed into aware that branch personnel has been intimated by means of Mahlangu.

Makhura additionally stated there have been no officers who said something approximately being misled or being afraid.

“Everybody who got here right here stated they have been steamrolled. In the meetings, we had none of them [who] stated they have been pressured or intimidated by way of the MEC,” he said.

Levy Mosenogi, the head of the mission which caused the death of 144 Life Esidimeni patients, claimed that he changed into terrified of her.

Cutting fee

Mosenogi turned into no longer the handiest one. Selebano formerly claimed he became afraid to get up to her after he continued performing in contravention of the rights of mentally ill sufferers under her instruction.

But Mahlangu testified that she did no longer realize why her subordinates said they have been afraid of her.

“I realize myself to be a completely heat individual,” Mahlangu said for the duration of her testimony last Wednesday.

Moseneke additionally requested: “Why did the MEC surrender, become she was driven or did she leap?”

Makhura stated he continually maintained that, while something is going wrong in someone’s line of responsibility, there may be outcomes and Mahlangu said she will be able to renounce if wanted.

He said he become assured in an assembly that the sufferers could be taken to proper establishments, but this did now not show up.

The listening to additionally heard evidence from Gauteng Finance MEC Barbara Creecy who stated that at no factor had provincial Treasury advised departments that they have to reduce fees.

“Treasury has never demanded that any department reduce core offerings,” Creecy said.

“The pressure to reduce costs turned into no longer on core offerings,” she said.

Creecy said, in November 2014 the health department indicated that it wanted to transport patients to authorities institutions.

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